In the early 2000s, writer/director/actor created a
television show in which he and four celebrities would talk movie shop over
dinner. Dinner for Five, while so amazingly simple in concept, quickly
developed a loyal following of fans eager to listen to celebs talk about their
experiences with the film business.
During the show’s run from 2001-2005, I caught a few
episodes here and there on IFC, but it wasn’t until a few weeks ago that I
actually remembered it existed. A good friend reminded me of Dinner for Five,
and after a quick Google search, I discovered that some kind soul had uploaded
the entire series on YouTube. I spent the past two weeks watching the whole show,
and here are 10 things that I enjoyed most about it.
You learn a lot about
how the film industry works
If you’re a complete film freak like me and love exploring
how terms like two-hander, needle drops, master shots, sides, and changes apply
to a movie set, the natural conversations between guests on this show will help
you understand. In the early episodes, when a guest uses an obscure industry term, a
title card helps explain what that term means. Unfortunately, those title cards
disappear after Season 1, so you have to scramble on Google during subsequent
seasons.
In addition to on-set terms, Dinner for Five offers frank insight into the money side of the
business. There’s a lot of bitching and moaning about how money dominates the
entirety of the film industry. Be warned: this isn’t a show that promotes the
glamour of what it means to be a filmmaker. Far from it.
You learn a lot about
some really great films
Watching Dinner for
Five, I learned new things about A
Woman Under the Influence, Deliverance,
The Last Picture Show, Scorsese’s Cape Fear and MANY other notable films.
If you’re a fan of film trivia, then you’ll love this show.
It’s hilarious
When the show first began, it seemed that Favreau really
encouraged a humorous vibe. During Season 1, I laughed out loud several times. Vince
Vaughn poking fun at Peter Falk, Kevin Pollak doing amazing impressions, Faizon
Love crapping on everyone he’s ever worked with, Denis Leary being Denis Leary.
As the show progressed, it became overall more serious. There are still amusing
moments in every episode, but those early ones are hysterical.
You get to meet (and
value) new people
I’m grossly ill informed about certain periods of American
comedy. The whole Martin and Lewis/Johnny Carson eras. Favreau obviously loves
this crowd, which is why Dom Deluise, for example, makes a few appearances on
the show, and nails every one of them. Additionally, I loved getting to know
people I really didn’t know much about, aside from how the public perceives
them. Examples: Martha Plimpton, Eddie Izzard, Carrie Fisher, Ed Begley, Rob
Zombie, and Henry Rollins, all offer great insights while on the show.
For better or worse,
your perceptions of certain people are true
Vince Vaughn is pretty much an antagonistic asshole, Kevin
Smith is an articulate know it all, Adam Goldberg behaves exactly how most all of his film characters behave, Colin Farrell
is (or was) a little off, Richard Lewis is Richard Lewis, Billy Bob Thornton is Billy
Bob Thornton, and so on. But also, it’s comforting to see that people like Patricia
Clarkson, Lili Taylor, Dennis Farina, Laura Dern, and John Waters are genuinely
as nice as they appear to be.
…while other
perceptions are completely off
You know what Christian Slater, Rosie Perez, and Stephen
Dorff have in common? While they all appear to have a publicly standoffish
presence, in real life they’re all complete sweethearts. It was also refreshing
to see how relatively normal (and incredibly humble) people like Juliette Lewis,
Zooey Deschanel, Gina Gershon, and Seth Green are.
But there’s really one person in particular who deserves to
dominate this section, and that is Burt Reynolds. Before watching Dinner for Five, I always perceived
Reynolds to be a combative jerk. The second episode of Season 3 completely
reversed my opinions on the man. He comes off as humble, grateful, hilarious, all
while telling amazing story after amazing story. That episode is the only
episode in the show’s history that was split into two parts, and it is very
easy to determine why.
Occasionally, things
get awkward
I’ve touched on some already, but yeah, Dinner for Five can get awkward as hell. Watching guests
squirm uncomfortably as Faizon Love bashes Spike Lee, Ice Cube, and many others, can be painful. As is Vince Vaughn bullying Rory
Cochrane about Cochrane’s troubled start in the business (from Season 2 Episode
7). You can tell Cochrane is this close
to kicking Vaughn’s ass, before Brian Cox interjects and demands that Vaughn
shut the hell up. It may sound funny, but it’s actually quite sad.
There’s also an interesting portion of Season 2 Episode 1 in
which Jennifer Garner literally threatens to beat Kevin Smith’s ass because
Smith is picking on Ben Affleck. Smith gets offended and talks back, Garner
beefs up, and Affleck sits sheepishly, hoping they’ll both stop. Affleck was
dating Jennifer Lopez at the time, but it really
makes me wonder if something was already going on between he and Garner.
But the most painfully awkward moment of Dinner for Five is the fucking train
wreck that is Season 3 Episode 11. A few highlights from that
show: Amy Irving discussing the amount of sex she has with her new Brazilian
boyfriend, Alan Cumming and Isaac Mizrahi weighing the pros and cons of men’s
pubic hair, Favreau making everyone uncomfortable by dropping N-bombs, the
topic of getting assholes spray painted is discussed, and so on. I suppose
the only interesting bit of the episode is hearing Alan Cumming admit that he’s
never seen Fast Times at Ridgemont High,
despite the fact that Jennifer Jason Leigh is his best friend.
Because of hindsight, guests prove to be full of contradictions
At some point in everyone’s life, hindsight has bitten them
in the ass. Fortunately for most of us, it isn’t caught on camera. But watching
some celebrities bash certain aspects of the film business, knowing that they
later embraced those exact things, is truly entertaining. Because he is the center
of the show, Jon Favreau is the main victim of this. Favreau notes constantly throughout
the show’s run how he’ll never conform to the “Hollywood way.” He’ll never
be a blockbuster filmmaker, he’ll never do a project for the money, and on and
on. Take a look at Favreau’s directing career today and tell me that’s been the
case.
Another prominent example of these types of contradictions
is that several guests are clearly on the cusp of making it big. They know
this, and they play it up somewhat shamefully. The interesting part is that
most of them didn’t really make it
big, and they actually peaked at the time this show aired. I don’t want to name
names, but just watch the show, and you’ll quickly see what I mean.
Apparently, everyone in Hollywood hates Inside the
Actors Studio
And I mean fucking hates
James Lipton’s Bravo series. Denis Leary refers to it as Inside the Actors Asshole, Favreau bashes the show regularly,
pointing out how Inside the Actors Studio
guests like Billy Joel have nothing whatsoever to do with the film business.
Maybe you see where I’m going here. For starters, most of
the people bashing the show hadn’t been invited on Inside the Actors Studio, and a handful of them (including Leary)
eventually were… even though on Dinner
for Five, they said they would never
go on it. It’s also funny that Favreau cries foul to certain guests on Inside the Actors Studio, when two of Dinner for Five’s final guests were skateboarder Tony
Hawk and Flaming Lips member Steven Drozd. Both have had as much impact on the film business as... Billy
Joel.
The annoyances on the
show can be amusing (but also annoying)
You better like Jon Favreau’s career, because when you watch
Dinner for Five, you’re going to hear
about it constantly. Swingers (which Favreau,
more or less, mentions in every episode), Rudy
(Favreau’s first film role), Rocky
Marciano (the not-very-good TV movie starring Favreau), and the one episode
of The Sopranos where Favreau played
himself, are all mentioned regularly. Problem is, Favreau has a tendency to
come off as elitist about his contribution to the movie industry. As if his
work with Swingers was the greatest
thing to happen to independent film since, well, ever.
If it’s any
consolation, Favreau is fully aware of how he’s perceived, noting a few times
that he comes off as an asshole on his own show, but there’s nothing he can do
about it. (It’s also damn funny to see Kevin Smith making fun of Favreau for
this exact thing in Season 4 Episode 9, which was hosted by Smith in Favreau’s
absence.)
Aside from Favreau, I should warn you that, occasionally,
the guests on Dinner for Five slip
into that Oh my God, it’s sooo hard being
famous banter. I actually don’t have a problem with this, because I do
think it’s damn hard to live in the public eye like they do. But if you’re the
type of person who doesn’t like to listen to celebrities bitch about how much
their life and fame and fortune sucks, then certain episodes of Dinner for Five are going to be tough
for you.
Final Thoughts
I didn’t want to end this post on a negative note because
honestly, Dinner for Five is a
fantastic show. It truly is a must for even the most remote fans of American
cinema. I learned so much from watching the show, about the films and the
people who made them. I guarantee it’ll be worth your time, despite its few
hiccups. Remember: you can watch all of the shows here, but I have no idea how
long they’ll actually be posted on YouTube. Also note that some of the later
episodes are missing bits here and there, but hey, it’s always better to have
something than nothing.
You stated every reason why I love that show. It's so fun to watch. Some of my favorite moments involve Maggie Gyllenhaal smoking a cigar and making a mess out of the smoke while John Sayles and Jon Favreau are talking. Burt Reynolds praising Favreau for playing Rocky Marciano. Faizon Love talking about a horrible movie he did w/ Ice Cube as it was some lame biker movie and he talked about how shit of a director Joseph Khan was.
ReplyDeleteI just love some of the honesty on that show. I wish it would come back. Not on IFC, that channel sucks now.
I would LOVE for this show to come back. Its honesty is what made it so great, and I would love to see more episodes (but yeah, not on IFC).
DeleteGyllenhaal smoking that cigar was almost as funny as Christina Ricci smoking her cigar. Looked hilarious.
Ha! What fun! It was some comment of yours that actually brought the show to mind for me. I really enjoyed it when it originally ran and have taken a peek back here and there since.
ReplyDeleteI totally love how Jon talks about keeping in real and small--ok, Iron Man-- but I think I could change my tune for that many zeros on a check, too!
Going to rewatch a couple more...so much fun! And, yes Faizon, the secret to the Friars Club is that they're hiding all of the slave ships!
Oh I'm not hating on Jon at all for cashing in. I mean, who in their right mind WOULD turn down that much dough? But I do think it's funny that he seems so against blockbusters at the time.
DeleteThat Frairs Club/slave ship bit was so awkward and hilarious. Faizon really spoke his mind, haha.
I used to watch Dinner for Five here and there and loved it. Back when I got DVDs on Netflix, they had the entire first season available on DVD. I flew through the whole thing and wished there was more. I hope these stay on YouTube for a while so I can check them out.
ReplyDeleteI hope so too! There's a great episode (S02E13) featuring John Sayles, Lili Taylor, Maggie Gyllenhaal, Vanessa Martinez soon after they wrapped Casa de los babys that I think you'd really enjoy.
DeleteWell you've got me very intrigued. It sounds fascinating to watch it now and have hindsight into these actor's careers. Just from what you've pointed out it's bound to be funny. Thanks for the recommendation.
ReplyDeleteMy pleasure, Jess! It really is an overall great show. And you can just breeze through the episodes. They're certainly never dull!
DeleteWhat the Kevin Smith/Affleck episode reminds me more than anything is that I still unashamedly love both Armageddon and Daredevil and a lot of it is that Affleck just has the right attitude. I find them both to just be fun to watch even when almost everyone else I don't like them. Also rather funny Colin Farrell saying he won't get Alexander. I wonder if he actually believed it.
ReplyDeleteFew nights ago, for whatever reason, I decided to watch Deep Impact and Armageddon back to back. You know... not so bad, either of them. I love that Armageddon embraces how goddamn BIG it is, you know? Daredevil is another story... I've only seen that once and probably won't revisit it. Just not for me
DeleteI love Farrell in that episode though. "Oh man... you must have been getting laid, huh?"
Awesome post! I've never actually seen a full episode, but I'll definitely be checking some of these out, while they're on YouTube at least.
ReplyDeleteI tend to agree with Favreau on some of the ITAS guests, but there are still many worthy actors and directors who've appeared on the show.
Thanks man! I do agree that some of the guests on ItAS have been... curious at best, but dude, Favreau and his crew BLAST ItAS. It's crazy.
DeleteI've never heard of this show before your post. Thanks for bringing it to my attention! I'm going to check out some of the episodes you mentioned because I do enjoy a good train wreck.
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Just watched the episode with Garry Shandling & Peter Falk...love them both!
ReplyDeleteAhhh me too. So sad. Need to go back and watch that one!
DeleteI just started watching this show, and absolutely love it. It's really interesting to see actors talking in a comfortable setting.
ReplyDeleteAs for the Rory/Vince debacle, I kind of saw it as Vince hinting that Rory was lying about his less than humble origins in LA. He was badgering Rory about details to the story because they didn't make sense, and Rory reacted by freezing up and getting frustrated. I think he was trying to out the fact that Rory fudged the details of his start in LA to make it seem like he really struggled, rather than making fun of him for struggling.
Thanks so much for this comment! I really appreciated your explanation into the Rory/Vince thing. That was such a memorable moment to me.
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